Based upon bug reports by Stephen Hemminger.
We still had some cases using ->qdisc instead of ->qdisc_sleeping.
Also, qdisc_lookup() should return ingress qdiscs.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Bug report from Steven Jan Springl:
Issuing the following command causes a kernel oops:
tc qdisc add dev eth0 handle ffff: ingress
The problem mostly stems from all of the special case handling of
ingress qdiscs.
So, to fix this, do the grafting operation the same way we do for TX
qdiscs. Which means that dev_activate() and dev_deactivate() now do
the "qdisc_sleeping <--> qdisc" transitions on dev->rx_queue too.
Future simplifications are possible now, mainly because it is
impossible for dev_queue->{qdisc,qdisc_sleeping} to be NULL. There
are NULL checks all over to handle the ingress qdisc special case
that used to exist before this commit.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
This patch makes the needlessly global qdisc_class_hash_alloc() static.
Signed-off-by: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
Acked-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Add size table functions for qdiscs and calculate packet size in
qdisc_enqueue().
Based on patch by Patrick McHardy
http://marc.info/?l=linux-netdev&m=115201979221729&w=2
Signed-off-by: Jussi Kivilinna <jussi.kivilinna@mbnet.fi>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Idea is from Patrick McHardy.
Instead of managing the list of qdiscs on the device level, manage it
in the root qdisc of a netdev_queue. This solves all kinds of
visibility issues during qdisc destruction.
The way to iterate over all qdiscs of a netdev_queue is to visit
the netdev_queue->qdisc, and then traverse it's list.
The only special case is to ignore builting qdiscs at the root when
dumping or doing a qdisc_lookup(). That was not needed previously
because builtin qdiscs were not added to the device's qdisc_list.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Move the destruction of the old queue into qdisc_graft().
When operating on a root qdisc (ie. "parent == NULL"), apply
the operation to all queues. The caller has grabbed a single
implicit reference for this graft, therefore when we apply the
change to more than one queue we must grab additional qdisc
references.
Otherwise, we are operating on a class of a specific parent qdisc, and
therefore no multiqueue handling is necessary.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Lock the root of the qdisc being operated upon.
All explicit references to qdisc_tree_lock() are now gone.
The only remaining uses are via the sch_tree_{lock,unlock}()
and tcf_tree_{lock,unlock}() macros.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
When we have shared qdiscs, packets come out of the qdiscs
for multiple transmit queues.
Therefore it doesn't make any sense to schedule the transmit
queue when logically we cannot know ahead of time the TX
queue of the SKB that the qdisc->dequeue() will give us.
Just for sanity I added a BUG check to make sure we never
get into a state where the noop_qdisc is scheduled.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
When code wants to lock the qdisc tree state, the logic
operation it's doing is locking the top-level qdisc that
sits of the root of the netdev_queue.
Add qdisc_root_lock() to represent this and convert the
easiest cases.
In order for this to work out in all cases, we have to
hook up the noop_qdisc to a dummy netdev_queue.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
alloc_netdev_mq() now allocates an array of netdev_queue
structures for TX, based upon the queue_count argument.
Furthermore, all accesses to the TX queues are now vectored
through the netdev_get_tx_queue() and netdev_for_each_tx_queue()
interfaces. This makes it easy to grep the tree for all
things that want to get to a TX queue of a net device.
Problem spots which are not really multiqueue aware yet, and
only work with one queue, can easily be spotted by grepping
for all netdev_get_tx_queue() calls that pass in a zero index.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Only plain netif_schedule() remains taking a net_device, mostly as a
compatability item while we transition the rest of these interfaces.
Everything else calls netif_schedule_queue() or __netif_schedule(),
both of which take a netdev_queue pointer.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Now that our qdisc management is bi-directional, per-queue, and fully
orthogonal, there is no reason to have a special ingress qdisc pointer
in struct net_device.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Every qdisc is assosciated with a queue, and in the case of ingress
qdiscs that will now be netdev->rx_queue so using that queue's lock is
the thing to do.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The lock is now an attribute of the device queue.
One thing to notice is that "suspicious" places
emerge which will need specific training about
multiple queue handling. They are so marked with
explicit "netdev->rx_queue" and "netdev->tx_queue"
references.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
It can be obtained via the netdev_queue. So create a helper routine,
qdisc_dev(), to make the transformations nicer looking.
Now, qdisc_alloc() now no longer needs a net_device pointer argument.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
A netdev_queue is an entity managed by a qdisc.
Currently there is one RX and one TX queue, and a netdev_queue merely
contains a backpointer to the net_device.
The Qdisc struct is augmented with a netdev_queue pointer as well.
Eventually the 'dev' Qdisc member will go away and we will have the
resulting hierarchy:
net_device --> netdev_queue --> Qdisc
Also, qdisc_alloc() and qdisc_create_dflt() now take a netdev_queue
pointer argument.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Currently all qdiscs which allow to create classes uses a fixed sized hash
table with size 16 to hash the classes. This causes a large bottleneck
when using thousands of classes and unbound filters.
Add helpers for dynamically sized class hashes to fix this. The following
patches will convert the qdiscs to use them.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Pass double tcf_proto pointers to tcf_destroy_chain() to make it
clear the start of the filter list for more consistency.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
TC_H_MAJ(parentid) for root classes is the same as for ingress, and if
ingress qdisc is created qdisc_lookup() returns its pointer (without
ingress NULL is returned). After this all qdisc_lookups give the same,
and we get endless loop. (I don't know how this could hide for so long
- it should trigger with every leaf class deleted if it's qdisc isn't
empty.)
After this fix qdisc_lookup() is omitted both for ingress and root
parents, but looking for root is only wasting a little time here...
Many thanks to Enrico Demarin for finding a test for catching this
bug, which probably bothered quite a lot of admins.
Reported-by: Enrico Demarin <enrico@superclick.com>,
Signed-off-by: Jarek Poplawski <jarkao2@gmail.com>
Acked-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Introduce per-sock inlines: sock_net(), sock_net_set()
and per-inet_timewait_sock inlines: twsk_net(), twsk_net_set().
Without CONFIG_NET_NS, no namespace other than &init_net exists.
Let's explicitly define them to help compiler optimizations.
Signed-off-by: YOSHIFUJI Hideaki <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Convert packet schedulers to use the netlink API. Unfortunately a gradual
conversion is not possible without breaking compilation in the middle or
adding lots of casts, so this patch converts them all in one step. The
patch has been mostly generated automatically with some minor edits to
at least allow seperate conversion of classifiers and actions.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
After this patch none of the netlink callback support anything
except the initial network namespace but the rtnetlink infrastructure
now handles multiple network namespaces.
Changes from v2:
- IPv6 addrlabel processing
Changes from v1:
- no need for special rtnl_unlock handling
- fixed IPv6 ndisc
Signed-off-by: Denis V. Lunev <den@openvz.org>
Signed-off-by: Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Before I can enable rtnetlink to work in all network namespaces I need
to be certain that something won't break. So this patch deliberately
disables all of the rtnletlink methods in everything except the
initial network namespace. After the methods have been audited this
extra check can be disabled.
Changes from v1:
- added IPv6 addrlabel protection
Signed-off-by: Denis V. Lunev <den@openvz.org>
Signed-off-by: Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Signed-off-by: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Qdisc_class_ops are const, and Qdisc_ops are mostly read.
Using "const" and "__read_mostly" qualifiers helps to reduce false
sharing.
Signed-off-by: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The fourth parameter of /proc/net/psched is supposed to show the timer
resultion and is used by HTB userspace to calculate the necessary
burst rate. Currently we show the clock resolution, which results in a
too low burst rate when the two differ.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
This patch makes most of the generic device layer network
namespace safe. This patch makes dev_base_head a
network namespace variable, and then it picks up
a few associated variables. The functions:
dev_getbyhwaddr
dev_getfirsthwbytype
dev_get_by_flags
dev_get_by_name
__dev_get_by_name
dev_get_by_index
__dev_get_by_index
dev_ioctl
dev_ethtool
dev_load
wireless_process_ioctl
were modified to take a network namespace argument, and
deal with it.
vlan_ioctl_set and brioctl_set were modified so their
hooks will receive a network namespace argument.
So basically anthing in the core of the network stack that was
affected to by the change of dev_base was modified to handle
multiple network namespaces. The rest of the network stack was
simply modified to explicitly use &init_net the initial network
namespace. This can be fixed when those components of the network
stack are modified to handle multiple network namespaces.
For now the ifindex generator is left global.
Fundametally ifindex numbers are per namespace, or else
we will have corner case problems with migration when
we get that far.
At the same time there are assumptions in the network stack
that the ifindex of a network device won't change. Making
the ifindex number global seems a good compromise until
the network stack can cope with ifindex changes when
you change namespaces, and the like.
Signed-off-by: Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
This patch makes /proc/net per network namespace. It modifies the global
variables proc_net and proc_net_stat to be per network namespace.
The proc_net file helpers are modified to take a network namespace argument,
and all of their callers are fixed to pass &init_net for that argument.
This ensures that all of the /proc/net files are only visible and
usable in the initial network namespace until the code behind them
has been updated to be handle multiple network namespaces.
Making /proc/net per namespace is necessary as at least some files
in /proc/net depend upon the set of network devices which is per
network namespace, and even more files in /proc/net have contents
that are relevant to a single network namespace.
Signed-off-by: Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Fix sch_api to correctly set sch->parent for both ingress and egress
qdiscs in qdisc_create().
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <trash@kaber.net>
Signed-off-by: Peter P Waskiewicz Jr <peter.p.waskiewicz.jr@intel.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The behaviour of NET_CLS_POLICE for TC_POLICE_RECLASSIFY was to return
it to the qdisc, which could handle it internally or ignore it. With
NET_CLS_ACT however, tc_classify starts over at the first classifier
and never returns it to the qdisc. This makes it impossible to support
qdisc-internal reclassification, which in turn makes it impossible to
remove the old NET_CLS_POLICE code without breaking compatibility since
we have two qdiscs (CBQ and ATM) that support this.
This patch adds a tc_classify_compat function that handles
reclassification the old way and changes CBQ and ATM to use it.
This again is of course not fully backwards compatible with the previous
NET_CLS_ACT behaviour. Unfortunately there is no way to fully maintain
compatibility *and* support qdisc internal reclassification with
NET_CLS_ACT, but this seems like the better choice over keeping the two
incompatible options around forever.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
As noticed by Ranko Zivojnovic <ranko@spidernet.net>, calling qdisc_run
from the timer handler can result in deadlock:
> CPU#0
>
> qdisc_watchdog() fires and gets dev->queue_lock
> qdisc_run()...qdisc_restart()...
> -> releases dev->queue_lock and enters dev_hard_start_xmit()
>
> CPU#1
>
> tc del qdisc dev ...
> qdisc_graft()...dev_graft_qdisc()...dev_deactivate()...
> -> grabs dev->queue_lock ...
>
> qdisc_reset()...{cbq,hfsc,htb,netem,tbf}_reset()...qdisc_watchdog_cancel()...
> -> hrtimer_cancel() - waiting for the qdisc_watchdog() to exit, while still
> holding dev->queue_lock
>
> CPU#0
>
> dev_hard_start_xmit() returns ...
> -> wants to get dev->queue_lock(!)
>
> DEADLOCK!
The entire optimization is a bit questionable IMO, it moves potentially
large parts of NET_TX_SOFTIRQ work to TIMER_SOFTIRQ/HRTIMER_SOFTIRQ,
which kind of defeats the separation of them.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Acked-by: Ranko Zivojnovic <ranko@spidernet.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The generic estimator is always built in anways and all the config options
does is prevent including a minimal amount of code for setting it up.
Additionally the option is already automatically selected for most cases.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cleanup of dev_base list use, with the aim to simplify making device
list per-namespace. In almost every occasion, use of dev_base variable
and dev->next pointer could be easily replaced by for_each_netdev
loop. A few most complicated places were converted to using
first_netdev()/next_netdev().
Signed-off-by: Pavel Emelianov <xemul@openvz.org>
Acked-by: Kirill Korotaev <dev@openvz.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Switch ingress queueing back to use ingress_lock. qdisc_lock_tree now locks
both the ingress and egress qdiscs on the device. All changes to data that
might be used on both ingress and egress needs to be protected by using
qdisc_lock_tree instead of manually taking dev->queue_lock. Additionally
the qdisc stats_lock needs to be initialized to ingress_lock for ingress
qdiscs.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Since we're now holding the rtnl during the entire dump operation, we
can remove qdisc_tree_lock, whose only purpose is to protect dump
callbacks from concurrent changes to the qdisc tree.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
We're holding dev->queue_lock in qdisc_watchdog_schedule and
qdisc_watchdog_cancel, no need for the barriers.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Uninline tcf_destroy and add a helper function to destroy an entire filter
chain.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
If possible, avoid having to do a transmit softirq when a qdisc
watchdog decides to re-enable. The watchdog routine runs off
a timer, so it is already in the same effective context as
the softirq.
Signed-off-by: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The netem code would call getnstimeofday() and dequeue/requeue after
every packet, even if it was waiting. Avoid this overhead by using
the throttled flag.
Signed-off-by: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
So that it is also an offset from skb->head, reduces its size from 8 to 4 bytes
on 64bit architectures, allowing us to combine the 4 bytes hole left by the
layer headers conversion, reducing struct sk_buff size to 256 bytes, i.e. 4
64byte cachelines, and since the sk_buff slab cache is SLAB_HWCACHE_ALIGN...
:-)
Many calculations that previously required that skb->{transport,network,
mac}_header be first converted to a pointer now can be done directly, being
meaningful as offsets or pointers.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
net/sched/sch_api.c: In function 'psched_show':
net/sched/sch_api.c:1219: warning: format '%08x' expects type 'unsigned int', but argument 6 has type 's64'
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The timer resolution exported in /proc/net/psched is used by userspace to
calculate HTB's burst values. Currently it is set to HZ, since we're now
using hrtimers, use KTIME_MONOTONIC_RES, which makes HTB use smaller burst
values.
This patch also affects libnl, which incorrectly uses this value for
the SFQ perturbation parameter, which is always in seconds, and some
routing cache values, which are in USER_HZ, so both cases are broken
anyway.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Get rid of the manual clock source selection mess and use ktime. Also
use a scalar representation, which allows to clean up pkt_sched.h a bit
more and results in less ktime_to_ns() calls in most cases.
The PSCHED_US2JIFFIE/PSCHED_JIFFIE2US macros are implemented quite
inefficient by this patch, following patches will convert all qdiscs
to hrtimers and get rid of them entirely.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
After Al Viro (finally) succeeded in removing the sched.h #include in module.h
recently, it makes sense again to remove other superfluous sched.h includes.
There are quite a lot of files which include it but don't actually need
anything defined in there. Presumably these includes were once needed for
macros that used to live in sched.h, but moved to other header files in the
course of cleaning it up.
To ease the pain, this time I did not fiddle with any header files and only
removed #includes from .c-files, which tend to cause less trouble.
Compile tested against 2.6.20-rc2 and 2.6.20-rc2-mm2 (with offsets) on alpha,
arm, i386, ia64, mips, powerpc, and x86_64 with allnoconfig, defconfig,
allmodconfig, and allyesconfig as well as a few randconfigs on x86_64 and all
configs in arch/arm/configs on arm. I also checked that no new warnings were
introduced by the patch (actually, some warnings are removed that were emitted
by unnecessarily included header files).
Signed-off-by: Tim Schmielau <tim@physik3.uni-rostock.de>
Acked-by: Russell King <rmk+kernel@arm.linux.org.uk>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Many struct file_operations in the kernel can be "const". Marking them const
moves these to the .rodata section, which avoids false sharing with potential
dirty data. In addition it'll catch accidental writes at compile time to
these shared resources.
Signed-off-by: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
This patch removes the following unused EXPORT_SYMBOL's:
- sch_api.c: qdisc_lookup
- sch_generic.c: __netdev_watchdog_up
- sch_generic.c: noop_qdisc_ops
- sch_generic.c: qdisc_alloc
Signed-off-by: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
There are multiple problems related to qlen adjustment that can lead
to an upper qdisc getting out of sync with the real number of packets
queued, leading to endless dequeueing attempts by the upper layer code.
All qdiscs must maintain an accurate q.qlen counter. There are basically
two groups of operations affecting the qlen: operations that propagate
down the tree (enqueue, dequeue, requeue, drop, reset) beginning at the
root qdisc and operations only affecting a subtree or single qdisc
(change, graft, delete class). Since qlen changes during operations from
the second group don't propagate to ancestor qdiscs, their qlen values
become desynchronized.
This patch adds a function to propagate qlen changes up the qdisc tree,
optionally calling a callback function to perform qdisc-internal
maintenance when the child qdisc becomes empty. The follow-up patches
will convert all qdiscs to use this function where necessary.
Noticed by Timo Steinbach <tsteinbach@astaro.com>.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The move of qdisc destruction to a rcu callback broke locking in the
entire qdisc layer by invalidating previously valid assumptions about
the context in which changes to the qdisc tree occur.
The two assumptions were:
- since changes only happen in process context, read_lock doesn't need
bottem half protection. Now invalid since destruction of inner qdiscs,
classifiers, actions and estimators happens in the RCU callback unless
they're manually deleted, resulting in dead-locks when read_lock in
process context is interrupted by write_lock_bh in bottem half context.
- since changes only happen under the RTNL, no additional locking is
necessary for data not used during packet processing (f.e. u32_list).
Again, since destruction now happens in the RCU callback, this assumption
is not valid anymore, causing races while using this data, which can
result in corruption or use-after-free.
Instead of "fixing" this by disabling bottem halfs everywhere and adding
new locks/refcounting, this patch makes these assumptions valid again by
moving destruction back to process context. Since only the dev->qdisc
pointer is protected by RCU, but ->enqueue and the qdisc tree are still
protected by dev->qdisc_lock, destruction of the tree can be performed
immediately and only the final free needs to happen in the rcu callback
to make sure dev_queue_xmit doesn't access already freed memory.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Clean up timer initialization by introducing DEFINE_TIMER a'la
DEFINE_SPINLOCK. Build and boot-tested on x86. A similar patch has been
been in the -RT tree for some time.
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Current behaviour is to not report an error if a rate
estimator is created together with a qdisc and the
configuration of the rate estimator is bogus. This leads
to unexpected behaviour because the user is not notified.
New behaviour is to report the error and let the whole
qdisc creation operation fail so the user is able to fix
his mistake.
Signed-off-by: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Adds qdisc_alloc() to share code between qdisc_create()
and qdisc_create_dflt(). Hides the qdisc alignment behind
macros and makes use of them.
Signed-off-by: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Mostly missing initialization of padding fields of 1 or 2 bytes length,
two instances of uninitialized nlmsgerr->msg of 16 bytes length.
Signed-off-by: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
This patch converts "unsigned flags" to use more explict types like u16
instead and incrementally introduces NLMSG_NEW().
Signed-off-by: Jamal Hadi Salim <hadi@cyberus.ca>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Fix qlen underrun when doing duplication with netem. If netem is used
as leaf discipline, then the parent needs to be tweaked when packets
are duplicated.
Signed-off-by: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Initial git repository build. I'm not bothering with the full history,
even though we have it. We can create a separate "historical" git
archive of that later if we want to, and in the meantime it's about
3.2GB when imported into git - space that would just make the early
git days unnecessarily complicated, when we don't have a lot of good
infrastructure for it.
Let it rip!