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<H1>[Mono-list] Re: [DotGNU]Re: Collaboration on alternatives to the
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<B>Miguel de Icaza
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TITLE="[Mono-list] Re: [DotGNU]Re: Collaboration on alternatives to the
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<I>11 Oct 2003 22:11:39 -0400</I>
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<PRE>Hello,
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><i> > If you did such a careful study with your lawyer, would you mind
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</I>><i> > publishing it so others can review it?
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</I>><i> And I suppose you would just turn over internal Ximian/Novell legal advice and
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</I>><i> developer discussions should I ask for it? Nice try to avoid the apology.
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Rhys, I am not the one making claims that `Windows.Forms has no patent
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violations', you are the one who claimed that you had done a careful
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study.
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What I said is reflected on our FAQ: we dont believe that *any* of it is
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patentable. But if you are going to pick `Windows.Forms' as part of
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your initiative of "apis which are absolutely not encumbered by a
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patent", then I believe that Norbert is miss-leading the community and
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it can not be the basis of a completely pure effort to have a
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non-encumbered system.
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You claim that you did a careful study on Windows.Forms and its
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applicability to the patent, and that is why its excluded. I do not
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believe either you or Norbert did any careful study.
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For us to cooperate in this delicate matter, I must trust you, and so
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far you are not giving me any sense of security. If anything, you are
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avoiding the topic, just like Darl McBride is.
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><i> Anyway, from the USPTO's guidelines on patentability [1]:
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</I>><i> The subject matter sought to be patented must be sufficiently different
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</I>><i> from what has been used or described before that it may be said to be
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</I>><i> nonobvious to a person having ordinary skill in the area of technology
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</I>><i> related to the invention. For example, the substitution of one material
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</I>><i> for another, or changes in size, are ordinarily not patentable.
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</I>><i> The last sentence is the important one: "the substitution of one material for
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</I>><i> another". Changing C++ in MFC into C# in Windows.Forms would seem to be
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</I>><i> little more than a change in "material".
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An excellent quote, worth keeping it around.
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><i> Of course, we could be wrong - anything could happen once the C&D's start
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</I>><i> flying. Hence the hedge-betting on Qt# and Gtk#.
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</I>><i> I (still) await your apology. Accusing us of being deceptive, and then asking
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</I>><i> that we prove your own accusation, is quite offensive. And needless to say,
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</I>><i> uncooperative.
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</I>><i> Cheers,
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</I>><i> Rhys.
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</I>><i> [1] <A HREF="http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/doc/general/index.html#novelty">http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/doc/general/index.html#novelty</A>
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</I>--
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Miguel de Icaza <<A HREF="mailto:miguel@ximian.com">miguel@ximian.com</A>>
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