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<H1>[mono-android] Free version: Emulator only? ... Bye bye</H1>
<B>Daniele Salvatore Albano</B>
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<I>Wed Dec 21 18:57:48 EST 2011</I>
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<PRE>Maybe that debugging and linking to native code use specific assembler
arm instruction, but i think that only really few parts are coded in
this way ... would be really hard to maintain otherwise (i think ^^)
2011/12/22 Richard Wilburn &lt;<A HREF="http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monodroid">rhwilburn at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
&gt;<i> 1) I believe that there are mono parts that require the ARM instructions? (I
</I>&gt;<i> saw something about this on stackoverflow)
</I>&gt;<i> 2) You can setup an app that will auto install other apps I would think.
</I>&gt;<i> This shouldnt be hugely hard. The community might have done or could do
</I>&gt;<i> something like that.
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> I think ultimately the android simulator somewhat hurts products like
</I>&gt;<i> monodroid and even native android to a slight lesser extent, so the best
</I>&gt;<i> strategy in my opinion is to bypass it. I don't own an android device yet (I
</I>&gt;<i> like android so likely will), so its quite annoying to have to go out and
</I>&gt;<i> buy one. Among many reasons, this is part of the reason I setup the
</I>&gt;<i> Mono.MVVM project on github (<A HREF="https://github.com/rhwilburn/MVVM-for-Mono">https://github.com/rhwilburn/MVVM-for-Mono</A>), so
</I>&gt;<i> that I could develop against the windows mobile simulator, then have minimal
</I>&gt;<i> android specific code. Unfortunately its still a work in progress, but we
</I>&gt;<i> have some basic bindings working in a proof of concept style fashion.
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> -Richard.
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Daniele Salvatore Albano
</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monodroid">d.albano at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think that support x86 isn't hard, because:
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - technically ICS and android 2.3.7 and superior works fine on x86
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - x86 emulator is in android sdk folder (tools/emulator-x86)
</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> More, android-x86 is an android distrubution, not officially
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supported, to have android on x86 platform.
</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The true big problem is: where is the x86 toolchain for android?
</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Without the x86 toolchain for android you can't really compile mono
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and other low level stuff for x86.
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tecnically, if mono doesn't use bionic libc but uclibc statically
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compiled, a toolchain can be hand-compiled or can be compiled using,
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for example, crosstools-ng.
</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/12/21 Richard Wilburn &lt;<A HREF="http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monodroid">rhwilburn at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I think the compromise here could be to put x86 android on the road map
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; if
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; its possible? and put that ability into the trial.
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Tomas Finn&#248;y &lt;<A HREF="http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monodroid">tjfinnoy at gmail.com</A>&gt;
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; wrote:
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm just posting here to say I have quit my Monodroid experimentation.
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; This is solely due to the fact that you have restricted the use of the
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; free
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; version to only work on the emulators. A very poor choice, indeed.
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The emulator is incredibly slow, and is close to impossible to test
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; applications with if you want to use stuff as the gyro or gps.
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Why on earth did you not just add a timelimit or simply a splash
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; screen?!?
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Why don't you want people to test your product well before opting to
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; buy?
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I guess I'll go the free java route instead.
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Thanks,
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hope it works out for you anyway.
</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
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</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; View this message in context:
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